Comments on: Putting the Developer in Charge http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/10/30/putting-the-developer-in-charge/ The CloudMade Blog Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:48:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jithesh Joseph http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/10/30/putting-the-developer-in-charge/comment-page-1/#comment-3638 Jithesh Joseph Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:09:26 +0000 http://blog.cloudmade.com/?p=510#comment-3638 The 'destroying value' of maps and navigation make you smile as long as you don't find any difficulty in making your VC happy. If not, there starts the competition. The ‘destroying value’ of maps and navigation make you smile as long as you don’t find any difficulty in making your VC happy. If not, there starts the competition.

]]> By: mark http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/10/30/putting-the-developer-in-charge/comment-page-1/#comment-3636 mark Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:13:10 +0000 http://blog.cloudmade.com/?p=510#comment-3636 when will you guys start selling the premier level of service described here? http://cloudmade.com/pricing/web when will you guys start selling the premier level of service described here?

http://cloudmade.com/pricing/web

]]> By: Spatial is Special – There’s a (M)App for That « Fiducial Marks – Paul Bissett, WeoGeo CEO http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/10/30/putting-the-developer-in-charge/comment-page-1/#comment-3518 Spatial is Special – There’s a (M)App for That « Fiducial Marks – Paul Bissett, WeoGeo CEO Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:39:45 +0000 http://blog.cloudmade.com/?p=510#comment-3518 [...] (Part 1), making previous niches obsolete and forcing individuals (James Fee) and companies (e.g. Cloudmade) to adjust business models to just survive. Geo-powered apps are changing the game for [...] [...] (Part 1), making previous niches obsolete and forcing individuals (James Fee) and companies (e.g. Cloudmade) to adjust business models to just survive. Geo-powered apps are changing the game for [...]

]]> By: Russell Nelson http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/10/30/putting-the-developer-in-charge/comment-page-1/#comment-3509 Russell Nelson Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:55:26 +0000 http://blog.cloudmade.com/?p=510#comment-3509 Emma Williamson is an office administrator. Juha is pretty hands-on. I'm sure that he wrote it and asked Emma to post it to the blog for him. That said, I agree with you. If you produce product X, and another company produces X as their cash cow and Y, and you can destroy the value of Y by giving it away, then you force them to increase their margins on X, allowing you to compete with them. So no, it's not irrational to give up the value from something if you can make more money elsewhere. For example, I could work part-time for my current employer and work the rest of my day at McDonald's. I don't do that. Every day I destroy my opportunity to work for a lower salary, and hurrah for that. Emma Williamson is an office administrator. Juha is pretty hands-on. I’m sure that he wrote it and asked Emma to post it to the blog for him.

That said, I agree with you. If you produce product X, and another company produces X as their cash cow and Y, and you can destroy the value of Y by giving it away, then you force them to increase their margins on X, allowing you to compete with them. So no, it’s not irrational to give up the value from something if you can make more money elsewhere. For example, I could work part-time for my current employer and work the rest of my day at McDonald’s. I don’t do that. Every day I destroy my opportunity to work for a lower salary, and hurrah for that.

]]> By: Ed Avis http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/10/30/putting-the-developer-in-charge/comment-page-1/#comment-3507 Ed Avis Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:09:03 +0000 http://blog.cloudmade.com/?p=510#comment-3507 Matt - I was about to point out exactly the same thing. Google is 'destroying value' in just the same way as OpenStreetMap 'destroys value' for proprietary map data vendors. Emma Williamson, or whoever actually wrote this article, has fallen into the mental trap of considering that 'the marketplace' (or 'the ecosystem') needs to be protected in itself, rather than existing only to serve consumers. Google in this instance is doing no more 'evil' than Cloudmade or any other company. It's called competition. The idea of a merry band of public-spirited geo-companies standing against the big bad bully is laughable. Cloudmade people, concentrate on telling us what you're doing, and leave out the whining about your competitors. I hope to see you successfully 'destroying value' yourselves in the coming months. Matt – I was about to point out exactly the same thing. Google is ‘destroying value’ in just the same way as OpenStreetMap ‘destroys value’ for proprietary map data vendors. Emma Williamson, or whoever actually wrote this article, has fallen into the mental trap of considering that ‘the marketplace’ (or ‘the ecosystem’) needs to be protected in itself, rather than existing only to serve consumers.

Google in this instance is doing no more ‘evil’ than Cloudmade or any other company. It’s called competition. The idea of a merry band of public-spirited geo-companies standing against the big bad bully is laughable.

Cloudmade people, concentrate on telling us what you’re doing, and leave out the whining about your competitors. I hope to see you successfully ‘destroying value’ yourselves in the coming months.

]]> By: Matt McClure http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/10/30/putting-the-developer-in-charge/comment-page-1/#comment-3506 Matt McClure Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:42:45 +0000 http://blog.cloudmade.com/?p=510#comment-3506 Google is hardly "destroying value" by providing free turn-by-turn navigation. They are destroying Garmin and TomTom's ability to monetize value, and transferring value from their competitors. The service provided in fact is now more valuable to the end user. I'd call that creating value. Google is hardly “destroying value” by providing free turn-by-turn navigation. They are destroying Garmin and TomTom’s ability to monetize value, and transferring value from their competitors. The service provided in fact is now more valuable to the end user. I’d call that creating value.

]]> By: MakerLab Blog » Augmentia http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/10/30/putting-the-developer-in-charge/comment-page-1/#comment-3504 MakerLab Blog » Augmentia Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:27:15 +0000 http://blog.cloudmade.com/?p=510#comment-3504 [...] quality interface and UI (and taking a bit of a stab at Apple at the same time not to mention the Open Street Maps community). The interface itself is shifting from a traditional top down cartographic orthodoxy to [...] [...] quality interface and UI (and taking a bit of a stab at Apple at the same time not to mention the Open Street Maps community). The interface itself is shifting from a traditional top down cartographic orthodoxy to [...]

]]> By: john fagan http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/10/30/putting-the-developer-in-charge/comment-page-1/#comment-3501 john fagan Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:54:48 +0000 http://blog.cloudmade.com/?p=510#comment-3501 I am a big fan of CloudMade and love the innovative products you continue to build. Playing devils advocate here. At G's current rate of innovation its entirely possible that they will extend Google Map Maker and ship their own Map Style Editor component. Will this concern you? I am a big fan of CloudMade and love the innovative products you continue to build.

Playing devils advocate here. At G’s current rate of innovation its entirely possible that they will extend Google Map Maker and ship their own Map Style Editor component. Will this concern you?

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